A look at issues 18, 19 and 20 of the miniseries DC 52.
The loaf is 52 minutes long. I don’t think I could have gotten it like that if I had tried.
The Loaf download
I decided to put both shows up at once.
The conversation with Christopher Neseman is the same one that was in Comic Book Noise 74. It’s just in standalone form.
The conversation with Mike Myers is a new conversation that took place a few weeks before the Comic Book Noise Family Get-Together. Funny story behind this one. After I logged off with Mike, I started processing an episode of Deliberate Noise, which usually takes over a hour. Around half of the way into it, I saw that Tim Terrell connected to Skype. If I wasn’t already right in the middle of processing, the Family Get-Together would have happened a lot sooner than it did.
According to Cinematical (Link: Cinematical.com), Movie Hole is reporting a rumor that 2009’s Superman Returns sequel ‘The Man Of Steel’ is being delayed so that Brandon Routh can star in the upcoming JLA movie (Link: MovieHole.net). Both articles have pretty good commentary and opinions about that particular scenario.
To me, it makes sense. A lot of people didn’t think that Routh was able to carry Superman Returns, so it makes sense to spread the wealth a little bit. It’s a bit disappointing that Batman reportedly is too big for the project, but I would be surprised if he didn’t make at least a cameo.
This also solves the problem about the next Superman movie villain. Now, they can easily use Darkseid because he is a threat that is too large for one hero. They can pretty much ignore the rest of the Fourth World characters until a sequel because Darkseid is just so imposing. Plus if Darkseid becomes the breakout character of a JLA vs Darkseid movie (and I think that it’s possible, after all Darth Vader was the coolest thing about the original Star Wars), I wouldn’t mind if Warner Brothers decided to make a series of Fourth World movies. Yeah, I’m dreaming, but don’t wake me up.
According to IGN, Bryan Singer will direct a World War II thriller for Tom Cruise’s United Artists (link: IGN.com). This will effectively postpone any work he may do on a sequel to Superman Returns. The article also proposes that there may not even be a sequel for Superman Returns, saying “the very expensive film is generally considered to have underperformed at the box office.” IGN also mentions that Warner Brothers’ announcement of a JLA film (link: Variety.com) could mean the end of the new Superman franchise.
There is also a Brandon Routh quote at the end of the article where it seems that General Zod will not be the villain of the sequel, if there is indeed one. Personally, I hope that any sequel will be more action packed and features villains that haven’t been used before in previous Superman movies. I like Lex Luthor as a villain, but with him appearing in four of the five previous films as well as the ‘Lois and Clark’ and ‘Smallville’ television shows, I think we get the point-HE’S SUPERMAN’S GREATEST FOE!!!
Now, let somebody else take a turn at Supes. But who?
Bizarro would be cool, but an evil Superman is too much like the end of Superman III.
Brainiac has so many iterations that I would be hardpressed to pick one.
Cyborg is boring because as long as there is technology around he will always come back.
Darkseid would make for an action packed movie, but you’d need a movie just to introduce him and the rest of the Fourth World properly.
Doomsday was created to kill Superman. Unless they were going to make a ‘Death of Superman’ movie, I wouldn’t introduce him to the movie-verse.
Eradicator would also be cool, but once again it would take a lot to introduce him properly.
Metallo is one of my least favorite Superman villains simply because they used him to death in the cartoons and he seems like a one trick pony.
Mongul would be perfect but there aren’t enough other superheroes in the movie-verse to help take on Warworld and you have to have Warworld. Plus nobody really knows who he is outside of comics fans.
Mr. Mxyzptlk would bring humor to the franchise. That much humor shouldn’t be in the franchise. Remember Richard Pryor? Not the comedic genius Richard Pryor, but the a-hole on the roller skates on the roof Richard Pryor. I thought you did.
Silver Banshee would be a good opening villain. That villain at the beginning of the movie who gets beat in a matter of minutes so that the movie can have a hot opening, but not for the rest of the two hours.
Titano. Puh-leeze. I won’t even dignify that with a remark.
Toyman. Puh-fuggin-leeze. I won’t even dignify that with my utter disdain for even bringing him up.
Zod is just going back to the well. Besides, every time an attempt is made to make Zod a worthy villain, it fails. The only version that ever worked was Terence Stamp’s version and he’s a little too long in the tooth to play someone who could go up against Routh’s Man of Steel.
The only other alternative that I can think of would be to create a new villain, but we all saw how well that went in Superman IV: A Quest For Peace. Or they could have him take on gangsters, saboteurs and terrorists. Wait, forget that, George Reeve already did that.
Who would you like to see take on the Man of Steel?
I have been putting out a LOT of new episodes and I worry about flooding the RSS feed and people either deleting them without listening (wasting bandwidth and time) or even worse, unsubscribing because they feel as though they will not get caught up.
I was thinking about just putting them up on the website and leaving them as a website exclusive feature. That way the people who WANT to hear them can hear them and the people who don’t can stick with the rest of the shows.
You can also vote in the poll on the sidebar.
Join Mike Myers, Tim Terrell and Derek Coward for the first Comic Book Noise Get-Together featuring reviews of Brother Bedlam, Pistolfist, True Story Swear To God, a discussion on Civil War 7 and Civil War Frontline 11 and much much more. 104 minutes.
We’ve all seen those idiotic forum threads "How can I get my wife/girlfriend to read comic books", but I have a question "WHY in the world would you want her to read comic books?"
And don’t give me that crap about evangelizing the hobby, because I notice that not a lot of people post "How can I get my next door neighbor to read comic books?" or "How I can get my boss to read comic books?" And yes, I’m making the assumption that your next door neighbor/boss is a man.
Personally I am one of those people that Jimmie Robinson said wasn’t doing enough to help comics (Do a Google search on ’Jimmie Robinson’ ’Bomb Queen’ ’new messiah’ to get the full text of what he said.) and I am unrepentant about that. It’s not my job get anyone to read any comics. I’m not even going to do comic book recommendations anymore. I’ll do reviews, but as for the whole "You should go out and get this issue/title" because it’s not something I want to do. I’ll tell you what I think about comics, but it’s up to you on whether or not you want to read it. Or shove it in your wife/girlfriend’s face and say "Here honey, you’ll like this."
I decided to end Marvel’s punishment early because I kept hearing about Civil War #7. (Don’t judge me, a good parent knows when to cut a wayward child some slack and when to be a hard ass.) The very first review I read was by the esteemed Augie DeBlieck and he was underwhelmed by the final chapter to Marvel’s latest event. The forum postings that I read (which I consider to be short form reviews) and I got the same sentiment. The only people who seemed to even like it was the same small bunch of Marvel apologists that have been saying how great Civil War has been since BEFORE the first issue.
It seemed like I could not get an unbiased review of the thing. The people who hated the series hated the ending. The people who loved the series loved the ending. The people who were ambivalent about the series were ambivalent about the ending. So if I wanted to get a good sense of the final issue, I would have to read it myself.
I read it and I thought that it was easily the best chapter of the story since the first issue. There were things that I just didn’t get (like the prison guards "locking" the doors and trapping everyone in the Negative Zone… huh?) and a couple of things that I thought required a little too much of a suspension of disbelief (I can buy a marauding Atlantean army lead by Namor, but how in the hell did they know where to go when it seemed like Cloak was teleporting them to an almost random location?) and something that I just flat out hated (Tony Stark wouldn’t build protections against the Vision into his armor? Come the f–k on!)
However, all of the bad things were outweighed by a single scene. The scene that a lot of people didn’t like. The scene where Steve Rogers had Iron Man down (after playing dirty) and he could have ended the life of his friend turned foe. He was stopped. Not by his seemingly vanished moral compass or his tiny little conscience, but by the people. I loved the fact that it wasn’t a superpowered gang of costumed thugs that stopped him, but a bunch of brave Regular Guys.
These were guys who could have been killed at any moment because they were in the middle of a war that they didn’t cause, a war that they had absolutely no control over (We can recall, impeach or elect the other guy in the real world) and ultimately a war that was dumped right on their doorsteps. They were right in the middle when other people were being moved out of the way. Unlike everyone else there, they had no belief that they were going to survive the next few minutes. And when the time came, they did what everyone else around there thought they were doing–The Right Thing.
Captain America Steve Rogers was a supervillain at that moment and he had a superhero who had the trust of the people in his clutches. (It reminded me of that scene in Spiderman 2 on the subway when the New Yorkers got in Doc Ock’s way. Only better because it didn’t have a bullshit "We won’t tell anyone" scene.) Only when he was confronted by the realization that he was on the wrong side did he finally snap out of it.
When I say he was on the wrong side, I mean that he wasn’t on the side of the innocent people. He wasn’t trying to make a bad situation better, he was trying to protect a skewed view of what was right. The series started with children dying. Rogers lost sight of that fact. He only saw that someone was telling him to do something that he didn’t want to do. Throughout the series, you saw times where Iron Man wasn’t sure if he was doing things the right way. You NEVER saw that with Steve Rogers, you only saw the single minded adherence to the idea that "I’m right because I see how things are supposed to be." That is only a short step away from the "Do this because I say so" mindset that a lot of fascists, dictators and tyrants hold.
I’m glad that the "character" of Captain America remained inside of Steve Rogers. I’m also glad that Rogers did some jail time. Anything else would have been insulting to anyone reading it. I liked the way that they established a bunch of new heroes. The Fifty state initiative looks very interesting and I am actually looking forward to some of the stories that are going to come out of this.
A lot of people said that this issue was anticlimactic and I can’t see that. I hate to compare this to anything else and would prefer to let it stand on its own, but I think that the last few pages of this issue can be compared favorably to the last few pages of the last issues of Crisis on Infinite Earths, Infinite Crisis and even Watchmen. The endings of all those stories weren’t about ending or finality, but rather they all gave a sense of beginning that was just starting.
Civil War wasn’t a perfect event and I didn’t like most of the story that was told, but this issue was a great first step towards the future of the Marvel Universe and for the first time in a long time, I’m curious to see what that future is.
I want to take another look at the Deliberate Noise: Comic Book Edition episodes and see if I still feel the same way about those issues.
The thing that really got me to wondering about that stuff was this post I saw on Loren Javier’s site (One Diverse Comic Book Nation).
I will admit that my early ideas about “re-working” Milestone Comics was built upon a desire to bring the titles more into the mainstream, but this post clearly reminds me about what the mainstream was back then and how brutally insipid the pre-Milestone ideas about non-white (or green) characters were. The funny thing about that time period is that I knew of more Black comic book characters who rode skateboards than actual Black human beings who rode skateboards.
Now comes the painful part: Listening to the old episodes with the bad equipment and the host with ABSOLUTELY no idea what he was doing. 🙂