Host Derek Coward returns to talk about the new Cyclops series by Greg Rucka, Letter 44 from Oni Press and how it compares to The Comet Clement, Jessica Jones casting news, and his first impressions of the new Fantastic Four movie teaser trailer.
Host Derek Coward talks about the concluding night of the TV crossover of Arrow and The Flash, a few issues of Avengers Academy, makes a music recommendation, talks about X-23,Wolverine and his lack of origin story, before talking a bit about origin stories themselves.
Host Derek Coward returns to answer the seemingly simple question “What is your favorite comic book character?”, but nothing is ever that simple.
The setup: Havok, the “leader” of the Uncanny Avengers, is meeting the Young Scott Summers from the past. At this time in his life, Scott doesn’t know much about his brother Alex beyond the fact that he has been adopted by a nice family.
Steve Rogers and the Avengers had gotten their asses handed to them in Australia, so he drags the Uncanny Avenger team to hijack the X-Men plane so that Alex can talk to Scott. Remember that these two are virtually strangers to one another, but when has not thinking things through ever stopped Steve Rogers.
When the two meet face to face and Scott realizes who he’s talking with, Rogers says this:
What a fucking douchebag! Even Thor and Scarlet Witch had to tell him to chill the fuck out, it’s brother stuff. Think about that for a second, the brother of Loki and the sister of Quicksilver have to tell somebody to shut up and let siblings talk. And they have tried to beat the hell out of their brothers before.
Then, when young Jean Grey reads the mind of Scarlet Witch and finds out about the MILLIONS of mutants she killed, she goes all Jean Grey on her ass. The situation is defused, but what does Rogers say then…
He is actively protecting the murderer of millions and just shrugs it off with “none of that matters right now”.
After making what he has to know are baseless accusations against the younger version of the guy who kicked his ass more than once and his friends, Rogers sends them on their way, then says this:
Havok just responds with “Yeah” but without any further context or word balloons. Personally, I like to think Alex was saying “Yeah” but thinking “Yeah, you would say that but this is the same guy that kicked your sorry ass so I’m pretty sure he had better days than today. Asshole.”
As most listeners of Comic Book Noise know, Cyclops is my favorite member of the X-Men and one of my favorite comic book characters. That said, I always preferred Madelyne Pryor-Summers, his wife, to his old girlfriend, Jean Grey, and it bummed me out when he ran out on Maddie and the baby.
Tom Brevoort answered a question about Maddie on Formspring by saying “I don’t really know much about the inter-office politics of the era, but I do think that Madeline Pryor was a train wreck from beginning to end, from her first appearance to her latest.” While appreciate his frank answer, he is wrong about two major things: 1) It’s Madelyne, not Madeline, and 2) She didn’t start about as a train wreck, she was made that way.
According to Chris Claremont, there was not only a different fate in store for Maddie, but also for Scott and eventually, the rest of the X-Men.
“The original Madelyne storyline was that, at its simplest level, she was that one in a million shot that just happened to look like Jean Grey, [a.k.a. the first Phoenix]! And the relationship was summed up by the moment when Scott says: “Are you Jean?” And she punches him! That was in Uncanny X-Men #174. Because her whole desire was to be deeply loved for herself not to be loved as the evocation of her boyfriend’s dead romantic lover and sweetheart.
I mean, it’s a classical theme. You can go back to a whole host of 1930s films, 1940s, Hitchcock films—but it all got invalidated by the resurrection of Jean Grey in X-Factor #1. The original plotline was that Scott marries Madelyne, they have their child, they go off to Alaska, he goes to work for his grandparents, he retires from the X-Men. He’s a reserve member. He’s available for emergencies. He comes back on special occasions, for special fights, but he has a life. He has grown up. He has grown out of the monastery; he is in the real world now. He has a child. He has maybe more than one child. It’s a metaphor for us all. We all grow up. We all move on.
Scott was going to move on. Jean was dead get on with your life. And it was close to be a happy ending. They lived happily ever after, and it was to create the impression that maybe if you came back in ten years, other X-Men would have grown up and out, too. Would Kitty stay with the team forever? Would Nightcrawler? Would any of them? Because that way we could evolve them into new directions, we could bring in new characters. There would be an ongoing sense of renewal, and growth and change in a positive sense.
Then, unfortunately, Jean was resurrected, Scott dumps his wife and kid and goes back to the old girlfriend. So it not only destroys Scott’s character as a hero and as a decent human being it creates an untenable structural situation: what do we do with Madelyne and the kid? … So ultimately the resolution was: turn her into the Goblin Queen and kill her off.”
Can you imagine if Marvel had actually let their characters grow older and be replaced by different characters? Of course, it couldn’t happen, so they had to get rid of the reason why Scott Summers would even believe he grow up and be an adult. Remember that at the time, whatever affected the X-men affected the rest of the Marvel Universe. If they grew older, then so would The Avengers, The Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, etc. I wish I knew about the inter-office politics then, because 1983 seems like a good time to try and change how comic book storytelling would proceed. But what do I know…?
Host Derek Coward talks about the history of some of the Comic Book Noise family shows, then goes over his top five favorite X-Men villains.
Host Derek Coward takes a look at X-Men Second Coming.