The setup: Havok, the “leader” of the Uncanny Avengers, is meeting the Young Scott Summers from the past. At this time in his life, Scott doesn’t know much about his brother Alex beyond the fact that he has been adopted by a nice family.
Steve Rogers and the Avengers had gotten their asses handed to them in Australia, so he drags the Uncanny Avenger team to hijack the X-Men plane so that Alex can talk to Scott. Remember that these two are virtually strangers to one another, but when has not thinking things through ever stopped Steve Rogers.
When the two meet face to face and Scott realizes who he’s talking with, Rogers says this:
What a fucking douchebag! Even Thor and Scarlet Witch had to tell him to chill the fuck out, it’s brother stuff. Think about that for a second, the brother of Loki and the sister of Quicksilver have to tell somebody to shut up and let siblings talk. And they have tried to beat the hell out of their brothers before.
Then, when young Jean Grey reads the mind of Scarlet Witch and finds out about the MILLIONS of mutants she killed, she goes all Jean Grey on her ass. The situation is defused, but what does Rogers say then…
He is actively protecting the murderer of millions and just shrugs it off with “none of that matters right now”.
After making what he has to know are baseless accusations against the younger version of the guy who kicked his ass more than once and his friends, Rogers sends them on their way, then says this:
Havok just responds with “Yeah” but without any further context or word balloons. Personally, I like to think Alex was saying “Yeah” but thinking “Yeah, you would say that but this is the same guy that kicked your sorry ass so I’m pretty sure he had better days than today. Asshole.”
As most listeners of Comic Book Noise know, Cyclops is my favorite member of the X-Men and one of my favorite comic book characters. That said, I always preferred Madelyne Pryor-Summers, his wife, to his old girlfriend, Jean Grey, and it bummed me out when he ran out on Maddie and the baby.
Tom Brevoort answered a question about Maddie on Formspring by saying “I don’t really know much about the inter-office politics of the era, but I do think that Madeline Pryor was a train wreck from beginning to end, from her first appearance to her latest.” While appreciate his frank answer, he is wrong about two major things: 1) It’s Madelyne, not Madeline, and 2) She didn’t start about as a train wreck, she was made that way.
According to Chris Claremont, there was not only a different fate in store for Maddie, but also for Scott and eventually, the rest of the X-Men.
“The original Madelyne storyline was that, at its simplest level, she was that one in a million shot that just happened to look like Jean Grey, [a.k.a. the first Phoenix]! And the relationship was summed up by the moment when Scott says: “Are you Jean?” And she punches him! That was in Uncanny X-Men #174. Because her whole desire was to be deeply loved for herself not to be loved as the evocation of her boyfriend’s dead romantic lover and sweetheart.
I mean, it’s a classical theme. You can go back to a whole host of 1930s films, 1940s, Hitchcock films—but it all got invalidated by the resurrection of Jean Grey in X-Factor #1. The original plotline was that Scott marries Madelyne, they have their child, they go off to Alaska, he goes to work for his grandparents, he retires from the X-Men. He’s a reserve member. He’s available for emergencies. He comes back on special occasions, for special fights, but he has a life. He has grown up. He has grown out of the monastery; he is in the real world now. He has a child. He has maybe more than one child. It’s a metaphor for us all. We all grow up. We all move on.
Scott was going to move on. Jean was dead get on with your life. And it was close to be a happy ending. They lived happily ever after, and it was to create the impression that maybe if you came back in ten years, other X-Men would have grown up and out, too. Would Kitty stay with the team forever? Would Nightcrawler? Would any of them? Because that way we could evolve them into new directions, we could bring in new characters. There would be an ongoing sense of renewal, and growth and change in a positive sense.
Then, unfortunately, Jean was resurrected, Scott dumps his wife and kid and goes back to the old girlfriend. So it not only destroys Scott’s character as a hero and as a decent human being it creates an untenable structural situation: what do we do with Madelyne and the kid? … So ultimately the resolution was: turn her into the Goblin Queen and kill her off.”
Can you imagine if Marvel had actually let their characters grow older and be replaced by different characters? Of course, it couldn’t happen, so they had to get rid of the reason why Scott Summers would even believe he grow up and be an adult. Remember that at the time, whatever affected the X-men affected the rest of the Marvel Universe. If they grew older, then so would The Avengers, The Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, etc. I wish I knew about the inter-office politics then, because 1983 seems like a good time to try and change how comic book storytelling would proceed. But what do I know…?
BTW: I also prefer Emma Frost and I hope she and Scott reconcile.
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Like a lot of people, I’m not that fond of the name, but since I don’t judge a book by its cover (Unless the cover says “Anybody Who Buys This Is A Pedophile And An Asshole”, then I would probably think twice about picking it up), I picked it up off the shelf.
It is an anthology, so it was up and down in terms of my likes and dislikes, but overall I liked it:
I liked the intro by Colleen Coover.
I didn’t like ‘Moritat’ by G. Willow Wilson/Ming Doyle/Cris Peter/Kathleen Marinaccio, but that’s because I don’t like comic book stories that heavily utilize musical performances. The artwork was very Paul Pope-ish, though.
I liked the Venus story by Trina Robbins/Stephanie Buscema/Kristyn Ferretti because I think stories about people from the past fitting into current times are usually funny.
I liked the spotlight on Flo Steinberg, who I remembered from What If #11, but had no idea who she really was.
I liked ‘A Brief Rendezvous’ by Valerie d’Orazio/Nikki Cook/Elizabeth Breitweiser/Kristyn Ferretti because it is always nice to see what The Punisher does with his off time.
I didn’t like the She-Hulk pin-up by Sana Takeda because her hand-foot was distracting and I think if a male artist had drawn this particular picture he would have been raked over the coals for it.
I liked ‘Shop Doc’ by Lucy Knisley, I thought it was cute.
I liked the spotlight on Marie Severin. She’s Marie Severin, who wouldn’t?
I skipped over ‘Clockwork Nightmare’ by Robin Furth/Agnes Garbowska/Kristyn Ferretti for the same reason I didn’t like ‘Moritat’, only instead of a musical performance, this seemed like it was poetry.
I liked ‘Head Space’ by Devin Grayson/Emma Rios/Barbara Ciardo/Kathleen Marinaccio. I have always thought she spent too much time exploring relationships between characters rather than the characters themselves and as a result, I haven’t been a big fan of her work. She does the same thing in this story, but it makes sense since it was a story about a relationship. Of course, she makes my favorite X-Man look like a little bitch, but then again, almost all writers make him look like a little bitch.
I know a lot of people will pass on this book because of the “high price tag” and I’m not sure what kind of business it will do in trade, but I don’t feel like I got ripped off and I’m looking forward to the other two issues in the miniseries.
Also, I love the cover by Amanda Conner and Laura Martin.
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I finally saw the third X-Men movie, X-Men: The Final Stand. The movie that came out in 2006 and has been playing on FX for the past few months. The movie that most other comic book podcasters and comic book readers have seen already. That movie.
I wanted to not like it because I kept hearing that my favorite X-Man (Cyclops) had a very abbreviated role in the movie before getting killed off. I also heard that there were too many characters and most of them were underdeveloped. I heard that there were too many plots going on at once and it all combined to make a very muddled mess of a movie.
I liked it.
I started watching it on a number of occasions but for some reason never made it past Jean Grey walking down the stairs to meet with Xavier and Magneto. It might have been the crazy botoxy shiny faced way both men looked in that scene, I don’t know. This time, I sat down and just let it go.
The movie reminded me of the Claremont/Smith-Romita-Silvestri run of Uncanny X-Men. Lots of characters, lots of action, a discussion on philosophy and ethics with just the right amount of humor at just the right time.
The plot was pretty familiar for people who have read the Dark Phoenix Saga and Joss Whedon’s run on Astonishing X-Men. A company claims to have the cure for being a mutant, which causes all kinds of havoc in the mutant community. At the same time, the X-Men have to deal with a Jean Grey who has returned from the dead and is not on the side of good.
The effects were excellent. The scene where Jean drops her house made me pause the movie just so that I could say “Now, THAT was cool”. I was mesmerized by the end scenes where she was deconstructing everything in her path. Even without destroying a D’Bari star, you could tell that Dark Phoenix was not someone to mess with.
I think those were my favorite scenes, but I also really liked the relationship between Wolverine and Storm. The first movie was about Wolverine’s relationship with Rogue and the second was his relationship with Jean. In both of those instances, he was a father and a potential lover. In this movie, he and Storm were equals and I liked that.
In comics, I prefer Wolverine the loner, but I also like Wolverine, part of a duo. He had miniserieses with Havok and Kitty Pryde that were both pretty good. The storyline leading to his marriage with Mariko was him and Storm and I thought that was one of the many highlights of the series. In the Morrison run, there were issues with him and Cyclops and him and Jean that were great as well.
In the movies he has to play off of other characters and with Rogue, Cyclops and Jean out of the picture, it makes sense in the continuity of the X-Movieverse that he would gravitate towards Storm. The rest of the characters are too young and he never seemed to trust Xavier.
I wouldn’t go as far to say that this movie was as good as X2, but it was definitely as good as (if not better than) the first movie and I really liked the first movie.
If you haven’t seen it and can get past all of the previous negative press that this movie got, I think that you will enjoy. If you have seen it and didn’t like it, get rid of the mental ties between the movies and the comics and I think that it will surprise you with how good it is and well it fits in with the other two.
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New releases (this week, Thursday is new comic day for a lot of folks) and Pick of the Week start the show off. Following that are comments on Punisher War Journal #13 and Avengers: The Initiative #7. Next, it’s a big ol’ heapin’ helpin’ of SkrullWatch! We’re joined by Pat Loika and time is spent going through Avengers: Disassembled, New Avengers: Breakout, and New Avengers #36 making claims and observations about who is and isn’t a Skrull. Along the way we touch on (in no particular order) the Kree – Skrull War, Wolverine: Origins, Dr. Strange, Young Avengers/Runaways, Young Avengers AND Runaways, She-Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, and Messiah CompleX.
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BLACK PANTHER # 32
COVER BY: BILLY TAN
WRITER: REGINALD HUDLIN
PENCILS: FRANCIS PORTELA
“LITTLE GREEN MEN”
Someone get them a road map! The new Fantastic Four have just taken another wrong turn on the dimensional superhighway — and this time, they’ve landed in the middle of a gang-war between machine-gun toting Skrulls! Gangsta-gangsta!
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CABLE & DEADPOOL #47
DAREDEVIL # 102
COVER BY: MARKO DJURDJEVIC
WRITER: ED BRUBAKER
PENCILS: MICHAEL LARK
INKS: STEFANO GAUDIANO
Daredevil fights the Enforcers and their new boss Mr. Fear, who’s trying to tear the streets of Hell’s Kitchen apart, while Matt and Foggy fight a battle on another front — the courtroom — to save the life of someone close to them! Continuing the events that began in DAREDEVIL 99 and rocketed us into the landmark 100th issue, by the multiple Eisner-nominated team of Brubaker and Lark!
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MAGICIAN APPRENTICE #11
MARVEL ADVENTURES IRON MAN #7
MARVEL ATLAS # 1
COVER BY: STAZ JOHNSON
WRITERS: MICHAEL HOSKIN, STUART VANDAL, ANTHONY FLAMINI, and ERIC J. MOREELS
ART: ELIOT BROWN
Walk through Marvel’s Earth with the first-ever official atlas! In the first half of this indispensable guide, travel through Europe, Asia and the Pacific with digestible in-depth features including: the splendor of Dr. Doom’s Latveria! The wonders of Muir Island! The glory of Silver Sable’s homeland Symkaria! The urban squalor of Madripoor! The underwater marvels of Lemuria! From the shores of Ireland to the ocean’s very depths, it’s all mapped out for you courtesy of handbook legend Eliot R. Brown (PUNISHER ARMORY, IRON MANUAL)!
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MARVEL PREVIEWS #52
MARVEL ZOMBIES 2 #2
MOON KNIGHT ANNUAL # 1
COVER BY: DAVE WILKINS
WRITER: DUANE SWIERCZYNSKI
PENCILS: JEFTE PAOLO
Some people come to New York City looking for a knight in shining armor. Or just a warm body who can help you through the lonely hours. Be careful what you look for. Hot crime novelist Duane Swierczynski (“The Blonde”) and Jefte Paolo bring you the story of three women whose lives intersect in strange and deadly ways, two predators who stalk the city streets at night, and one shock ending you won’t see coming. No matter how many bad dates you’ve had.
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SENSATIONAL SPIDER-MAN # 41
COVERS BY: JOE QUESADA and MARKO DJURDJEVIC
WRITER: J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI
PENCILS: JOE QUESADA
INKS: DANNY MIKI
“ONE MORE DAY” Part 3
The most-talked about – and controversial – comic event of the year continues, brought to you by J. Michael Straczynski and Joe Quesada! Brace yourself, Spidey fans, after this, nothing will be the same for Peter Parker!
The stakes have never been higher. At his darkest hours – and he’s had plenty – Peter has always had one shoulder to lean on, one person who’d remind him who he is, who he was, and who he can be. Now he’s about to lose that person. What would he do…what would you do, if you only had “One More Day?”
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SUB-MARINER #6 (CWI)
THE ZOMBIE: SIMON GARTH #1
ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN #116
WORLD WAR HULK: FRONT LINE #6
X-MEN # 205
COVERS BY: DAVID FINCH and J. SCOTT CAMPBELL
WRITER: MIKE CAREY
PENCILS: CHRIS BACHALO
MESSIAH COMPLEX – PART 5 of 13
The X-Men versus the Marauders! A rematch of the unforgettable fight from X-Men #200. But will the battle turn in favor of the X-Men this time? Not if Sinister can help it. Layla and Madrox continue their mission to uncover the truth of mutant extinction, friends become foes to the X-Men at the worst time possible, and whereabouts of the baby are revealed at last.
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X-MEN: FIRST CLASS #6
AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE VOL. 1 – BASIC TRAINING PREMIERE
COVER BY: JIM CHEUNG
WRITER: DAN SLOTT
PENCILS: STEFANO CASELLI
The CIVIL WAR is over and from now on, THIS is the new face of the MARVEL UNIVERSE — THE INITIATIVE! Whose side were you on? Well, if you were pro-registration, then there’s one hell of a price to pay. You’re in the army now. Every last one of you. Fall in with YELLOWJACKET, WAR MACHINE, SHE-HULK, JUSTICE and THE GAUNTLET as they train the heroes of tomorrow for the super-powered conflicts of today! Marvel’s army of super heroes has just become a super hero army! Also featuring THE MIGHTY AVENGERS and a new generation of Marvels. Collecting AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE #1-6.
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CIVIL WAR SCRIPT BOOK
COVER BY: STEVE MCNIVEN
WRITER: MARK MILLAR
PENCILS: STEVE MCNIVEN
Go behind the lines of the Marvel Comics event starring Spider-Man, the New Avengers, the Fantastic Four, the X-Men and the entirety of the Marvel pantheon. This companion volume reprints the complete scripts to CIVIL WAR #1-7 – plus sketches, deleted scenes and more!
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ESSENTIAL X-MEN VOL. 8
COVER BY: MARC SILVESTRI
WRITER: CHRIS CLAREMONT
PENCILS: MARC SILVESTRI and RICK LEONARDI
The X-Men are dead to the world, and evildoers a-plenty are willing to make the hoax a reality! See the debuts of characters and concepts that sculpted the struggles and souls of the mightiest mutants for years to come – including the Reavers, Genosha and the Conover Crusade! The Brood barge in and the Marauders mix it up, topped off with a dose of demons who whip up an awe-inspiring Inferno! Guest-starring Magik and the Goblin Queen! Collecting UNCANNY X-MEN 229-243, ANNUAL 12 & X-FACTOR 36-39.
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JACK KIRBY’S GALACTIC BOUNTY HUNTERS
COVER BY: JACK KIRBY
WRITERS: LISA KIRBY and STEVE ROBERTSON
PENCILS: MIKE THIBODEAUX
An All-New series featuring characters and concepts created by Jack “King” Kirby! Meet the Berkleys, your typical suburban California family. But when young Garrett Berkley discovers his parents’ secret — that the science-fiction stories his father writes aren’t fiction at all, but autobiography — he’s blasted into a whole new universe of adventure, mystery and danger. Now, Jack Berkley must put down his pen, reassemble his old team and take up the mantle of being a Galactic Bounty Hunter for one final mission! Collecting JACK KIRBY’S GALACTIC BOUNTY HUNTERS #1-6.
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MARVEL MASTERWORKS: THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN VOL. 9 (and variant)
COVER BY: JOHN ROMITA
WRITER: STAN LEE
PENCILS: JOHN ROMITA, JOHN BUSCEMA, and JIM MOONEY
Well tickle my webs and call it time for another offering of the greatest, friendliest, webslingingest super hero of all—the Amazing Spider-Man! The adventures Stan “The Man” and the Jazzy One, John Romita, have in store for you in this ten-spot of tales are enough to make even ol’ J. Jonah Jameson fall in love with Spidey. Well, maybe not, but that means you’ve no competition for a date with the likes of the Prowler in his first appearance; the beautiful Black Widow seen for the first time in her sultry new spy gear; an underworld family in-fight between the Kingpin and the Schemer including Vanessa Fisk’s entrée into Marveldom; and the Chameleon, Electro and the Kangaroo, a poor assemblage that’s always a bridesmaid and never a bride. It’s not just the most colorful array of villains in comics, of course! There’s melodrama aplenty in the fashion that could only befit poor Peter Parker. See how Mr. Luckless himself handles not only the loss of his powers and glowing Gwen’s fear of Spidey, but how he wiggles his way out of revealing his identity right before Gwen, MJ, and the gang’s very eyes! We’ll be waiting, so don’t forget that corsage, most Fearless Front Facer! Collecting THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #78-87.
SPIDER-MAN FAIRY TALES
COVER BY: RICARDO TERCIO
WRITER: C.B. CEBULSKI and MINDY OWENS
PENCILS: RICARDO TERCIO, NIKO HENRICHSON, KEI KOBYASAHI, and NICK DRAGOTTA
In the tradition of X-Men Fairy Tales, Marvel makes its move on melding more modern myths — this time starring everybody’s favorite wall-crawler! Featuring all-new interpretations of Little Red Riding Hood, Anansi the Spider-God, Tsuchigumo the Japanese Spider Spirit and Cinderella. Find out just how fun fairy tales can be… Marvel style! Collecting SPIDER-MAN FAIRY TALES #1-4.
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