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Comic Book Noise 395: World’s Finest, Stumptown, and Cold Weather

Host Derek Coward returns to complain about the extremely cold weather that he doesn’t move away from, an unwelcomed change to World’s Finest,and some jumbled thoughts that have something to do with Stumptown.

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Comic Book Noise 267: The Third Greatest Comic Book Podcast Of All Time!

Host Derek Coward announces the contest winner for the volume of Black Jack, defends the GI Joe movie, George Lucas, and Rob Liefeld, and still finds the time to talk about Avengers X-Sanction, Daredevil, DC Universe Presents Deadman, Hawk and Dove, Justice League, Aquaman, Mister Terrific and Crisis on New Genesis.

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The Curse Strikes Again!

Apparently the Coward Curse (where comic books I like and have on my pull list die a relatively quick death) has struck again. The Source has announced the cancellation of six titles:

Hawk and Dove
Men of War
Mister Terrifc
Static Shock

The only one I didn’t have on my pull list was Static Shock because I have no confidence that DC would do the title right and, from all that I’ve heard, I was correct. I liked all of the titles I was getting (obviously) but I can also see why most of them were cancelled.

Blackhawks should have been DC’s version of GI Joe, which is what I thought. Instead of introducing the team and showing them as bad asses in their first storyline (or at least semi-competent), Blackhawks started out with a Team Under Siege story, but since no one knew or cared about the team members, it was pretty boring and confusing. When one of the characters is infected with a life-threatening illness but no one can even remember their name, then maybe you should have started with a different story.

Hawk and Dove had pretty artwork (remember that I am an unapologetic Rob Liefeld fan), but I didn’t like the story that Sterling Gates had put together. Of course, Rob will probably get the blame for the failure, but that’s just because haters like to hate.

Men of War was a good title, but it was one of the more expensive ones and that’s why a lot of people were going to pass on it. However, I think the book also suffered from not facing a familiar threat. There was a superbeing in the first issue that I thought was going to be someone we had at least heard of, but it wasn’t to be. If the story had passed on the superpowered aspects and was more like the backup features, then it might have reached a different audience.

Mister Terrific was just getting good. Like the other books, the first storyline was weakened by having an unfamiliar villain as the main bad guy. Once they started the Mister Terrific In Space story, it looked like the book was going to start getting good, but now it won’t get the chance to show what it could be.

O.M.A.C. was a really good title and most of the people who read it said they liked it. I guess people don’t like to try new things or they don’t like the fact that Dan Didio wrote it. I don’t get understand why this one isn’t selling better.

These are some of the reasons why I think the books didn’t sell better, but they were all pretty good books and if given time I think they would have found their audiences. However, don’t think the fact that half of the books cancelled had “diverse” lead characters wasn’t lost on me, but that’s a podcast topic for another day.

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Comic Book Noise 257: New DC 52 Week One

Host Derek Coward takes a look at the comic books he bought during the first week of DC’s New 52: the number ones issues of Action Comics, Animal Man, Batgirl, Batwing, Hawk and Dove, Men Of War,O.M.A.C. and Stormwatch.

Batgirl 1

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Comic Book Noise 247: My DC Reboot Wishlist

Host Derek Coward talks in depth about the comic books on his wishlist from the upcoming DC Reboot and spends the last few minutes of the podcast talking about the titles and characters he is surprised aren’t part of the reboot.

Men of War

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My DC Reboot Wishlist

I’m still unemployed and even if I get a job tomorrow (fingers crossed), I will still be unable to afford comic books by the time of the DC reboot. Therefore, if you have a beneficent spirit and/or you buy an extra copy of any of these books, please send them my way:

Aquaman #1

Wonder Woman #1
Wonder Woman

Mister Terrific #1
Mister Terrific

DC Universe Presents #1
DC Universe Presents

Superman #1

Batwing #1

Red Hood and The Outlaws #1
Red Hood and The Outlaws

Justice League Dark #1
Justice League Dark

Frankenstein: Agent of S.H.A.D.E. #1
Frankenstein: Agent of S.H.A.D.E.

I, Vampire #1
I, Vampire

Stormwatch #1

Grifter #1

O.M.A.C. #1

Blackhawks #1

Men of War #1
Men of War

All-Star Western #1
All-Star Western

Hawk and Dove #1
Hawk and Dove

Legion of Super-Heroes #1
Legion of Super-Heroes

Legion Lost #1
Legion Lost

Batwoman #1

On an unrelated note, I am really surprised there was no Challengers of the Unknown reboot.

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Ignorance Really Is Bliss

Hawk and Dove: Hank and Dawn. Artwork by Rob L...

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I don’t think it is much of a secret that when I started doing Comic Book Noise, I didn’t know much about the inner workings of the comic book industry. I didn’t even know that there was a collapse of the comic book market back in the 90s. I just knew that it was harder to find some of the comic books that I had once bought. Miracleman, Scout, American Flagg, Jon Sable Freelance, Nexus, BadgerGrendel, Hero Alliance, Justice Machine and a bunch of others just stopped being there. I didn’t know why and I didn’t go out of my way to find out.

Screwy things happened in some of the comic books I was reading, but I didn’t know the story behind them. One moment Waverider was going to touch Captain Atom’s chest and the next, one of my favorite titles (Hawk and Dove) was systematically dismantled with the deaths of Captain Sal and Dove and the ruining of Hawk. I thought “Well, that was stupid.” but went on with my life

John Byrne was writing and drawing a damn good West Coast Avengers/Avengers West Coast and then all of a sudden, the storyline was interrupted by a couple of fill-in issues. When it came back, Roy and Dannette Thomas were on the book with Paul Ryan and Danny Bulanadi. No offense to them, but they were no John Byrne.  He was one of my favorites and one of those rare creators who I would follow from project to project.  Once I realized he wasn’t coming back, I dropped the book and went on with my life.

The pattern of things happening that make no sense followed by me going about my life continued until I started listening to comic book podcasts. From there, I found out about blogs and forums that talked about nothing but comic books. On top of that, the people on those blogs and forums also talked about what was going on behind the scenes, the juicy stuff that was only hinted at in my only source for comic book news, Wizard Magazine.

All of a sudden, a whole world was opened up to me that was apparently right in front of my eyes all the time. I dove into the comic book industry’s “secret history” head first.  I found out that somehow the secret of Monarch’s identity leaked out and Archie Goodwin decided to change from Captain Atom to Hawk. I found out that John Byrne left because Tom DeFalco had a “problem” with a storyline that he was working on. Most regrettably, I found out that most of the comic books I stopped getting was because the companies went out of business (Eclipse Comics, Innovation Publishing, Comico, First Comics, etc.)

For years, I had been told to give up my collecting and “grow up.” I didn’t. I was told to stop buying comics and be a “responsible adult” but chose to do both. Then something weird happened. Eventually, all of the information I was getting was starting to affect my enjoyment of the comic books themselves.  I had never read Previews because I am one of those people who would much rather read a comic book than a solicitation, but I found myself reading it; instead of being moved to want to get a future issue, I was usually disappointed in where things seemed to be heading and just eventually wanted to stop reading them altogether. My lifelong love of comic books was pretty much poisoned by the workings of the comic book industry.

Lately, I have stopped reading news sites and blogs. I receive Previews from my LCS but I rarely even open it unless Angela says “Hey have you seen what’s on page 135 this month?” Most regrettably, I buy fewer comic books and when I do, they are usually by companies that don’t have an abundance of publicity around them.

As a result of these changes to my habits, I find myself listening to fewer comic book podcasts. I used to think it was because they were talking about things that were no longer relevant to me, but the truth is dawning on me that I stopped listening because I don’t want to be dragged back into consuming all of the news/gossip about the industry. I would rather gauge the comic book industry on the product rather than the suppliers.

This is one of the reasons why I have been concentrating more on reviews and less on “issues”. This is one of the reasons why I connect those reviews to my personal history with the titles or characters.  I try and take myself back to a time when I didn’t know anything about the companies, the creators, the editorial conflicts, the personalities behind some of the decisions made to those titles or characters, the zealotry of some facets of fandom, etc.

I am starting to take back my enjoyment of comic books and I plan on taking all of the listeners with me, industry be damned.

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